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Re: Cool Vintage Marshall Guy

Postby Banker on Tue May 17, 2016 1:31 pm

silverface82 wrote:As stated earlier in this post. The 1968 model 1973 was originally a 20w that has now been converted to the 18w circuit.
This includes the ez81 and the extra preamp stage tube 12ax7.


And just to round this out, Marshall made 18 watt amps into the first part of 1968.

I have an early 1968 1974 model which is untouched from the factory. It left the factory with solid state rectification, although it also had the parts in place to pop in an EZ81. If I hadn't seen it, I wouldn't have believed it.......but then that sometimes happens with Marshall.
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Re: Cool Vintage Marshall Guy

Postby LD50 on Tue May 17, 2016 3:08 pm

Banker wrote:I've started to look at overall cab construction with a more critical eye recently. I have a couple of unquestionably correct block logo JTM45's, both bass model and less than 40 numbers apart (whatever that implies), and the head cabinets are different in construction (almost flush versus recessed front), slightly different in the size of the hole for the control panel


Yes I have two what I believer to be '65 JTM45 head cabs the early has butt corner construction both have large flat chassis braces around the front panel etc one is flush where the gold string protrudes and the other recessed, the later one being more recessed not sure how the corners are made on this one and it is script logo.
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Re: Cool Vintage Marshall Guy

Postby silverface82 on Thu May 19, 2016 6:15 pm

silverface82 wrote:
Alnico wrote:Quoting my post from page 2...

Alnico wrote:Based on the other features, I fully expected it to have '66 date codes stamped on the baskets...


And there they are on the EJ amp! This one only needed those for the full house.


No, I am sorry that is not where near a full house.
Now for the real fake.
Those of us that know fakes, know there is a reason.
It is called money.
The value year for a marshall amp is 1970.
This year you get the parts that are similar to plexi parts without the plexi price.
Now we all know it is not uncommon to see a 100w head on ebay a 1970 that someone slaped repro plexi panels.
Here we go it is the bluesbreaker version.
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What we see here is a 1970 model 1987t that someone put repro plexi panels on.
Also modifying it to a tube rectifier possibly changing the power supply transformer.
Building a box or just using an artist box then retolexing modifying to two face.
Putting after market grill cloth on.
Finally passing it of as a late 1967 blues breaker.
This dark colored tag board is common for 1970.
Also we notice the large square diode power supply on the left of the tag board.
Two original speaker jacks that just would not normally be found on a 1967 blues breaker.
We do also see the removable power cord.
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Although it is still entirely possible this was a 1969 blue breaker that someone just modified from salt and pepper top to bottom, to be a two face pinstripe?
Who am i to say...Perfect example that things aren't always what they seem.
We also see the tropical fish caps in this amp and know it originally was a vintage marshall amp of some sort.
And no matter what i think or say, it still is what it is.

Here in my next post is another lash up or forgery. It is what looks to be a 67' bb with a fake jtm45 chassis we will soon see a consistent pattern.
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Re: Cool Vintage Marshall Guy

Postby silverface82 on Thu May 19, 2016 6:18 pm

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Notice the brown after market pinstripe has no fades at the edges.
Also the dark color of the tag board.
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Re: Cool Vintage Marshall Guy

Postby silverface82 on Thu May 19, 2016 6:21 pm

Here we see another usual suspect,... no fades again at the edge of the pinstripe!
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Re: Cool Vintage Marshall Guy

Postby silverface82 on Thu May 19, 2016 6:28 pm

Here we see what may have been a popular amp at one time.
Likley to be a 1970. These dark coulored tag boards are typical for 1970.
Along with the red die on the solder joints.
What appears to have been an original amp at one time.
Has now been torn apart! Changed chassis, modified to an 18w circuit including an ez81 rectifier valve.
Two el84's and two additional 12ax7's.
Also modified to the two face design.
Aftermarket brown pinstripe once again.
Sorry to the people that own these amps but i am just pointing out what i see so others will be ware.

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We see the word tremolo is also misspelled on this little repro panel.(tremelo)
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Re: Cool Vintage Marshall Guy

Postby silverface82 on Thu May 19, 2016 6:39 pm

Here we see another suspicious caracter this 4x10 blues breaker also has the dark 1970 looking tag board.
We now see the pattern forming of this brown pinstripe with 1970 tag boards.
Being represented as 1966 and 1967 amps according to the after market plexi panels and two face pinstripe designs.
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Notice the incorrect black shiney paint on the speaker baffle inside.
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Re: Cool Vintage Marshall Guy

Postby silverface82 on Thu May 19, 2016 6:56 pm

People,

You give music ground way to much credit the fact is all these parts cannot be fabricated.
This forces them to use some repro and some original parts from other amps.
We automatically see which amps the parts are from according to the color as well as date codes.
This pattern strongly suggest the use of less expensive parts to maximize the profit.
Even using the correct grill cloth alone off an original blues breaker. With the correct fades. Would devalue the amp to the point that it would not be cost effective to make another forgery after you consider the cost of the other parts.
Let alone many other original parts!
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Re: Cool Vintage Marshall Guy

Postby API on Thu May 19, 2016 6:58 pm

You are preaching to the already convinced.
Brown pinstripe is very old news around here.

And posting pics of these amps does not make yours more original.....
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Re: Cool Vintage Marshall Guy

Postby silverface82 on Thu May 19, 2016 7:06 pm

Dismantling a bluesbreaker to extract an original tag board alone would also devalue the amp to the point that it would not be cost effective to forge another amp.
You people are living in a dream world if you expect anyone to believe that someone would tear apart not only one original plexi lett alone several original plexi amps to build my amp and then well over 90% of the solder joints appear to be original.
Including 100% of the voltage selector joints. Believe me your intelligence levels are being compromised in front of everyone right now!
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Re: Cool Vintage Marshall Guy

Postby API on Thu May 19, 2016 7:13 pm

silverface82 wrote:Dismantling a bluesbreaker to extract an original tag board alone would also devalue the amp to the point that it would not be cost effective to forge another amp.
You people are living in a dream world if you expect anyone to believe that someone would tear apart not only one original plexi lett alone several original plexi amps to build my amp and then well over 90% of the solder joints appear to be original.
Including 100% of the voltage selector joints. Believe me your intelligence levels are being compromised in front of everyone right now!


I am sorry to say that i think its the other way around at this point...

From now on i will not post more in this thread, good luck with the amp.
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Re: Cool Vintage Marshall Guy

Postby silverface82 on Thu May 19, 2016 7:13 pm

If you have something to say than say it if you can't back it up with pictures than don't bother.
If you are ready to roll than we can roll.
If you are ready to rock than we can rock.
Everything i say, i am prepared to back up with pictures!
I am not claiming this amp is 100% original.
Other than being largely rebuilt by marshall in 1968?
Other than a standby switch, also maybe a handful of other serviceable parts.
I believe the amp was originally built by marshall in the late sixties. :D
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Re: Cool Vintage Marshall Guy

Postby Unit_1 on Thu May 19, 2016 7:49 pm

absolutely MG 'quality' (sic) clones
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Re: Cool Vintage Marshall Guy

Postby Banker on Fri May 20, 2016 7:07 pm

silverface82 wrote:If you have something to say than say it.......


OK. You're delusional. Your arguments lack coherence and logic. You own an outright fake. Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

silverface82 wrote:I believe the amp was originally built by marshall in the late sixties.


You're in a group of one.

Good luck, I'm done with this thread.

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Re: Cool Vintage Marshall Guy

Postby Alnico on Fri May 20, 2016 7:15 pm

Neat summary. Logic and facts seem to bounce off this thread. A fake BB is a big buy-in just to troll a forum, but I've given up trying to make sense of it.

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