Cockney Rebel Hiwatt cab

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Cockney Rebel Hiwatt cab

Postby Mr. Foxen on Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:21 pm

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Actually, just realised I didn't take a proper pic of the stencils, more interested in checking the speakers are right:

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One speaker isnt the right way up with the badge, has it been moved?

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What is the best way to stick down the scuffed tolex? Fairly sure I'll end up moving it on, too precious about the speakers, when I'm totally happy with modern ones.

Will this have extra value as a Cockney Rebel cab?

It has a slot port across the back, is that standard?

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Re: Cockne Rebel Hiwatt cab

Postby OldSchoolDave on Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:22 pm

Can you post clearer pics of the speaker and cone codes? The one cone code I see doesn't look original. The speakers, when they came from the factory, would have been oriented with their terminals facing the center post. Hence, all the labels would have been angled in one direction or the other. This graphic reflects that:

http://hiwatt.org/Layouts/CabWiring.jpg

The rear port is original. Chances are, without other provenance and goodies, the stencil isn't going to add to the value. It's a nice cab, though :thumbsup: !

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Re: Cockne Rebel Hiwatt cab

Postby Mr. Foxen on Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:35 pm

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Those any better for you? Was kind of in a restricted space. The wiring looks to have been redone, looks a lot like flex, and the soldering isn't as neat as I'd expect from Hiwatt (although guess weren't as fussy about cabs). What is usually on the end of the center post? Looks like it is just cardboard stapled on.
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Re: Cockne Rebel Hiwatt cab

Postby Callaway_1 on Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:54 am

actually they were as particular with the wiring of the cabs. this wiring is not original.

That cab has taken a beating, notice the separation of the two pieces of plywood on the front, and the attempt to tighten up the corner with the unpainted piece of wood in the corner.

How does it sound?
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Re: Cockne Rebel Hiwatt cab

Postby OldSchoolDave on Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:38 am

Mr. Foxen wrote:Those any better for you?


Yes, thanks.

They're model 122142's (17,000 gauss) from early 1975. Now, if you can, post the codes inked on the back sides of the cones. That will help determine if they're original or if the speakers have been reconed (which has a major impact on value). One appears clearly visible. Others may be tucked up closer to the voicecoil.

As Callaway_1 stated, that is not the original wiring. My guess is the speakers had been removed at one time (possibly for reconing) and reinstalled at less-than-Hylight standards.

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Re: Cockne Rebel Hiwatt cab

Postby Ned B on Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:49 am

The serial number would indicate 1971 so the speakers were all changed at some point. A Marshall person shouldn't have to point this out to you Hiwatt guys...hehe! :wink:
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Re: Cockne Rebel Hiwatt cab

Postby Callaway_1 on Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:48 am

Ned is exactly right, I missed the serial # first time around.

someone added those speakers later.

Hopefully it sounds good!
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Re: Cockne Rebel Hiwatt cab

Postby Mr. Foxen on Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:57 am

If the speakers are not original, that tidies up my quandary, I like the cab, its bottomier than I'd expected (probably the port?) but I'm a bit precious about the speakers, if they are not originals, then I'm happy to sell them to someone who wants a set of Hiwatt speakers, and stick my favoured speakers in there. Anyone want a set of 1975 Hiwatt speakers?
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Re: Cockne Rebel Hiwatt cab

Postby OldSchoolDave on Sun Apr 24, 2011 2:53 pm

Mr. Foxen wrote:Anyone want a set of 1975 Hiwatt speakers?


Whether or not the cones are original to the speakers is still critically important.

Also, it'd help to know on what part of the planet you reside ;) .

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Re: Cockne Rebel Hiwatt cab

Postby Mr. Foxen on Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:19 pm

The cones say 644T, I'm in Bristol UK, I can sort shipping, but obviously overseas won't be cheap. Edit bottom left one I don't spot a cone number, but not much room to maneuver with the short cable.
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Re: Cockne Rebel Hiwatt cab

Postby canbaz on Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:58 pm

Mr. Foxen wrote:The cones say 644T

Do all the cones have the same code?

It is strange!!! There are same or similar codes on the 122231 cones of my sa212. And ribs of my speakers are not very pronounced like the speakers on Mr. Foxen's cabinet. Cone codes on my speakers can be 644T or 6441, I am not sure I can't read them very well. One speaker is manufactured in the early 75 the other is in the late 74.

With a little research I found this:
http://vintageamps.com/plexiboard/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=94728&p=931504&hilit=6441#p931504
Picture isn't there anymore but according to OldSchoolDave's post those speakers have the same code too.

Is it a recone code or Hiwatt speakers had that kind of cone code stamped for a short period? What do you think?
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Re: Cockne Rebel Hiwatt cab

Postby Mr. Foxen on Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:05 pm

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Re: Cockne Rebel Hiwatt cab

Postby canbaz on Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:08 pm

Oh!! My speakers' cones are exactly same, exactly same code on the same place and on one of the cones there is the same chalk writing.
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Re: Cockne Rebel Hiwatt cab

Postby Mr. Foxen on Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:48 pm

Cool, brothers.
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Re: Cockney Rebel Hiwatt cab

Postby pckpat on Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:09 pm

Cool-Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel cab-If you were on this side of the ocean,I would definitely be interested.I posted a clip of Cockney Rebel in the OT lounge last month.They were all using a full stack or two of new Hiwatts as they mimed "Come Up and See Me-Make Me Smile" on a British TV performance 8)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpJ0cyXbMbI
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