Brown Super from 1961?

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Re: Brown Super from 1961?

Postby OldSchoolDave on Wed May 04, 2016 1:28 pm

dangonjim wrote:Are these old CTS alnico Speakers from the early 70´s worth keeping?


IMHO, any alnico guitar speaker from that era is worth something....to someone. If they're not your cup of tea, sell them.

As to which speakers you *should* use, that all depends on your playing and your ears. Just for kicks, try one of those CTS alnicos with one of the Weber ceramics and let me know what you think.

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Re: Brown Super from 1961?

Postby dangonjim on Thu May 05, 2016 6:07 am

I have never tried mixing alnico and ceramic speakers. I'd give it a chance. I can even mix the gold celestion and the 10F150 and see how it sounds.

I heard somewhere that two gold g10s where not a good option for this amplifier.It could be because of the nature of both the Super and Celestion.

Super owners, which speakers did you put in your amps?
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Re: Brown Super from 1961?

Postby drewleslie on Thu May 05, 2016 11:44 am

dangonjim wrote:I have never tried mixing alnico and ceramic speakers. I'd give it a chance. I can even mix the gold celestion and the 10F150 and see how it sounds.

I heard somewhere that two gold g10s where not a good option for this amplifier.It could be because of the nature of both the Super and Celestion.

Super owners, which speakers did you put in your amps?


Both supers are 1960. One with Weber 10A125's and the other with 10F125's. The alnicos are a bit smoother and less aggressive.
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Re: Brown Super from 1961?

Postby OldSchoolDave on Thu May 05, 2016 1:27 pm

dangonjim wrote:Super owners, which speakers did you put in your amps?


My '62 Super resides in a repro cab with diagonally mounted early 60's Norelco alnico 12" speakers:

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It's woody & saggy - just what I was looking for out of that amp. Not the amp I'd pick for a gig requiring a wide variety of tones and dynamics, but very good at what it's set up to do.

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Re: Brown Super from 1961?

Postby slider313 on Thu May 05, 2016 2:53 pm

I have a pair of re-coned 1961 Jensen P10Q's in mine. Weber used their 10A125 cone and 30 watt voice coil on these.

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Re: Brown Super from 1961?

Postby Dean Jr. on Thu May 05, 2016 4:21 pm

FWiw...and back to the trem...V3 and V4 are the trem function tubes. One half of V4 is unused in the original circuit.
that PT is from the 37th week of 1962. +1 on the OT being from 1973. The choke is from 1961.I happen to like those CTS speakers, and they are worth some money to some people. A matched set for a Super Reverb would bring as much as $300...or so I hear.
IF this amp were mine, I would have to evaluate it...voltages, biasing, etc...before I spent any money on speakers. Biasing can make or break an otherwise good amp. Imho, that bias cap needs to be replaced.
Kudos on what could be a very good player amp. ONE of those with a good reverb effect in it would be very cool, imho.
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Re: Brown Super from 1961?

Postby spidey66 on Fri May 06, 2016 3:40 am

I have a 1960 5G4 Super. Currently has a set of original cone P10Qs. I removed the original P10rs for safe keeping.
In my other supers (1962) I had the oxfords with the brown plastic magnet covers. Prior to that I had another 62 Super with late 60's C10ns- didn't like those so I put in some Kendrick speakers instead. The Kendrick black frames were nice IIRC. My first Super, a 1960 CV had one original and one replaced speaker. That amp (ser # 00077) was my fave. IF you're out there.....come home to Poppa! Good Luck in your search, and +1 on getting it biased right and strong tubes for the trem. I run my Super with a blonde 1963 reverb unit. Very nice combo.
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Re: Brown Super from 1961?

Postby Factory Guy on Fri May 06, 2016 8:00 pm

Hi,

The old Brown and White Fender amps use either 2 or 2-1/2 tubes for the Vibrato.

My Jan 1960 Production #1 "JA" tube chart Super Amp is a 5G4 and uses 5 7025/12AX7 tubes, 3rd and 4th are in the Vibrato circuit.

My 1962 Showman Amp Production 11 "LG" tube chart 6G14A (same as '62 Twin 6G8A except the OT) uses 6 7025/12AX7 tubes and 2-1/2 tubes 3rd, 4th, and 1/2 of 5th are used for the Vibrato circuit.

If the Vibrato isn't as good as it "should" be try swapping the #3 & #4 tubes with known good ones and if that doesn't get it working better look at the caps & resistors in the Vibrato circuit.

When Fender started using the "bug" light bulb/photo cell Vibrato only 1 tube was used for the Vibrato.

Good score on your amp. If the CTS Alnico speakers have aged well and sound good I'd leave them in the amp. And agreeing with other posters if the reverb works and sounds good you have a functional bonus with reverb.

BTW the Vibrato in my '62 Showman is AMAZING and the Vibrato in my '60 Super Amp is REALLY GOOD but not as "AMAZING" and they are both working 100% with all components tested to spec.
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Re: Brown Super from 1961?

Postby dangonjim on Sun May 08, 2016 3:21 am

I wish I could get the Jensen P10Q's. But this stuff is rare and expensive. Maybe the 10A125s are a good option in case I take the alnico path but don't dig the CTS speakers.

A few minutes compairing the celestion gold with the 10F150 make me realize this english speaker seemed a little bit darker. Does anybody here tried the celestions with his Super?

You all are right. First I must check caps and resistors and see what must be changed. A bias pot could well be a practical mod. Preamp valves look very old so it doesn't hurt to try others. Right now the Amp have an annoying noise. It could be the cheap low grade are down transformer, who knows. I let you know what's wrong.

Beautiful pictures by the way, boys!.

I'm impressed with some of you, having two or even three Supers. It's a good sign. It's a hyper cool amp, probably the best Brownface combo...
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Re: Brown Super from 1961?

Postby spidey66 on Sun May 08, 2016 4:22 am

I'm impressed with some of you, having two or even three Supers. It's a good sign. It's a hyper cool amp, probably the best Brownface combo...

No Probablies about it! The best amp Leo made and one of his personal faves. :excited:
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Re: Brown Super from 1961?

Postby worldoftone on Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:09 am

I have 10A125s in mine. Sounds pretty good.

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